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		<title>Comment on Armor of God (Sermon) &#8211; Tim Bushong 9/07/08 by Justina Heatherton</title>
		<link>http://trinity-evangelical.org/2008/09/07/armor-of-god-sermon-tim-bushong-90708/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justina Heatherton]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an extremely absorbing article. I&#039;ll marker me.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Wine in Communion by Tim Bushong</title>
		<link>http://trinity-evangelical.org/2008/02/17/wine-in-communion/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Bushong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for your kind words, Sheila- may God bless you and your family.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your kind words, Sheila- may God bless you and your family.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wine in Communion by Sheila Theune</title>
		<link>http://trinity-evangelical.org/2008/02/17/wine-in-communion/#comment-182</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent review of what Scripture says on this topic.  Our church is now discussing returning to the Biblical precedent and serving wine at communion (something this church has never done).  Please note, that this is the only church where I have not received wine at the Lord&#039;s supper.  (We are a military family and have moved quite a bit.) The &quot;causing a brother to stumble&quot; is always the chief complaint.  In other churches we have attended, both wine and grape juice have been offered, which I thought was fine.  Although your Biblical arguments for the exclusivity of wine is very compelling.  I plan to share this article!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent review of what Scripture says on this topic.  Our church is now discussing returning to the Biblical precedent and serving wine at communion (something this church has never done).  Please note, that this is the only church where I have not received wine at the Lord&#8217;s supper.  (We are a military family and have moved quite a bit.) The &#8220;causing a brother to stumble&#8221; is always the chief complaint.  In other churches we have attended, both wine and grape juice have been offered, which I thought was fine.  Although your Biblical arguments for the exclusivity of wine is very compelling.  I plan to share this article!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sermon- Nate Harlan 12/11/2011- Matthew 5:27-30: &#8220;Overcoming Lust&#8221; by Resources for Matthew 5:27 - 30</title>
		<link>http://trinity-evangelical.org/2012/01/04/sermon-nate-harlan-12112011-matthew-527-30-overcoming-lust/#comment-170</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Wine in Communion by timbushong</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lisa-

Thank you for your reply. Your assumption is that, for the sake of possible alcoholics in the assembly, Churches should use non-wine in communion, since it is God&#039;s ordinance, and that it is meant to include all of His people. I hope I have rightly understood your concerns- so please allow me to answer you:

1) The term &#039;alcoholic&#039; is not a biblical term- that is, the idea of a mental disease or infirmity that needs healing is never alluded to in Scripture. What IS alluded to is the term &#039;drunkard&#039;, which John Gill comments ate those:

&quot;...who are strong to drink strong liquors; who give up themselves thereunto: who sit down on purpose to intoxicate themselves, and are frequent in the commission of this sin.&quot;

It&#039;s the difference between having something outside your control and the willing and purposeful commission of sin.

2) All through the Bible, especially in the New Testament, we are instructed that the evil resides not in the &#039;thing itself&#039; (be it alcohol, food, sex, etc...), but always in the abuse of the thing (See especially Mark 7:15-23, and Col. 2:20-23). 

So, while being very mindful of a person&#039;s past history, we would want to carefully instruct that person, by word and deed, in the proper and lawful use of the thing that they formerly abused. They may personally only take wine in communion (as prescribed by Christ) and forbid its place in their own cupboard, but that has nothing to do with regulating the worship of the Church. That brings me to that fact that:

3) No where in God&#039;s revealed Word are we given the option of substituting anything in the Lord&#039;s Supper, and the Bible never suggests that the elements are not important, nor can they be tweaked or even changed on the basis of one&#039;s own personal preferences. 

The word for wine in the NT is &quot;oinos&quot;, which always means wine- not grape juice. There is one exception to this in all of the ancient literature where &quot;oinos&quot; refers to the juice that is coming out of the pressing vats, but I would argue that even there it is referring to what the juice is intended for! In the near East, the grape harvest is generally in the early autumn, so only within that very small window of time was unfermented grape juice available at all. Now, we know that the Church partook of communion all the year around, that every baptized believer partook, and that there were ex-drunkards in the assemblies (1 Cor. 6:10, 11). 

I don&#039;t think that it&#039;s too difficult to conclude that not only should we use wine exclusively in communion, but that its use is perfectly legitimate and commensurate with the fact that there are children and ex-drunkards also partaking of communion.

Sincerely-

Tim Bushong]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa-</p>
<p>Thank you for your reply. Your assumption is that, for the sake of possible alcoholics in the assembly, Churches should use non-wine in communion, since it is God&#8217;s ordinance, and that it is meant to include all of His people. I hope I have rightly understood your concerns- so please allow me to answer you:</p>
<p>1) The term &#8216;alcoholic&#8217; is not a biblical term- that is, the idea of a mental disease or infirmity that needs healing is never alluded to in Scripture. What IS alluded to is the term &#8216;drunkard&#8217;, which John Gill comments ate those:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;who are strong to drink strong liquors; who give up themselves thereunto: who sit down on purpose to intoxicate themselves, and are frequent in the commission of this sin.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the difference between having something outside your control and the willing and purposeful commission of sin.</p>
<p>2) All through the Bible, especially in the New Testament, we are instructed that the evil resides not in the &#8216;thing itself&#8217; (be it alcohol, food, sex, etc&#8230;), but always in the abuse of the thing (See especially Mark 7:15-23, and Col. 2:20-23). </p>
<p>So, while being very mindful of a person&#8217;s past history, we would want to carefully instruct that person, by word and deed, in the proper and lawful use of the thing that they formerly abused. They may personally only take wine in communion (as prescribed by Christ) and forbid its place in their own cupboard, but that has nothing to do with regulating the worship of the Church. That brings me to that fact that:</p>
<p>3) No where in God&#8217;s revealed Word are we given the option of substituting anything in the Lord&#8217;s Supper, and the Bible never suggests that the elements are not important, nor can they be tweaked or even changed on the basis of one&#8217;s own personal preferences. </p>
<p>The word for wine in the NT is &#8220;oinos&#8221;, which always means wine- not grape juice. There is one exception to this in all of the ancient literature where &#8220;oinos&#8221; refers to the juice that is coming out of the pressing vats, but I would argue that even there it is referring to what the juice is intended for! In the near East, the grape harvest is generally in the early autumn, so only within that very small window of time was unfermented grape juice available at all. Now, we know that the Church partook of communion all the year around, that every baptized believer partook, and that there were ex-drunkards in the assemblies (1 Cor. 6:10, 11). </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that it&#8217;s too difficult to conclude that not only should we use wine exclusively in communion, but that its use is perfectly legitimate and commensurate with the fact that there are children and ex-drunkards also partaking of communion.</p>
<p>Sincerely-</p>
<p>Tim Bushong</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wine in Communion by Lisa</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 23:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember, Everything God&#039;s does includes all his children, therefore if some people have problem with alcoholic beverages, which causes them to fall into sin, then don&#039;t you think they should avoid them.  If God instructed all his children to take of the symbolic cup of his blood, don&#039;t you think he would use a non-alcoholic drink.....THINK ABOUT IT!
So all his children can part take of his supper]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, Everything God&#8217;s does includes all his children, therefore if some people have problem with alcoholic beverages, which causes them to fall into sin, then don&#8217;t you think they should avoid them.  If God instructed all his children to take of the symbolic cup of his blood, don&#8217;t you think he would use a non-alcoholic drink&#8230;..THINK ABOUT IT!<br />
So all his children can part take of his supper</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sermon &#8211; Nate Harlan 1/16/11- Titus 2 3-5: &#8220;For Women in the Church&#8221; by Titus: Sermon/Lectures &#171; A CREC Sermon Database</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Sermon &#8211; Nate Harlan 1/09/11- Titus 2 1-2: &#8220;Instructions to Older Men&#8221; by Titus: Sermon/Lectures &#171; A CREC Sermon Database</title>
		<link>http://trinity-evangelical.org/2011/01/09/sermon-nate-harlan-10911-titus-2-1-2/#comment-97</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Likemindedness (2 of 2) &#8211; John Mergy 11/16/08 by John</title>
		<link>http://trinity-evangelical.org/2008/11/16/likemindedness-2-of-2-john-mergy-111608/#comment-93</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 02:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Polo!  I realized this comment buried in the moderate bucket... sorry for the delay.  Short answer... continue towards likemindedness through discussing the differences that yet remain in love and humility.  We look to the Word as the final authority in settling the differences... it is sufficient for every good work.  2 Tim 3:16-17]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Polo!  I realized this comment buried in the moderate bucket&#8230; sorry for the delay.  Short answer&#8230; continue towards likemindedness through discussing the differences that yet remain in love and humility.  We look to the Word as the final authority in settling the differences&#8230; it is sufficient for every good work.  2 Tim 3:16-17</p>
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		<title>Comment on Likemindedness (2 of 2) &#8211; John Mergy 11/16/08 by Polo Garcia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Polo Garcia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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Hi John,

Excellent job with this study on likemindedness!

I, as a Catholic, feel united with my Christian brethren in many ways but mainly in the most important reason for our unity, which is Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. However, I can see the reality of our division as well, which is very reminiscent of the division of which Paul speaks in 1 Cor 1:12.

How, as Christians, should we work toward the unity that Paul mentions, so we can stand firm, in one spirit with one mind?

I agree that discussions between Christian people with different beliefs, is one way to work toward this unity. I have learned over time that an important element to an effective discussion of this nature (with Christian brethren) is in treating your brother’s or sister’s beliefs with the greatest respect and trying to forget about who the “big brother” might be, while at the same time explaining your faith gently and lovingly and always looking for the truth.

God bless! 
Polo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>Excellent job with this study on likemindedness!</p>
<p>I, as a Catholic, feel united with my Christian brethren in many ways but mainly in the most important reason for our unity, which is Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. However, I can see the reality of our division as well, which is very reminiscent of the division of which Paul speaks in 1 Cor 1:12.</p>
<p>How, as Christians, should we work toward the unity that Paul mentions, so we can stand firm, in one spirit with one mind?</p>
<p>I agree that discussions between Christian people with different beliefs, is one way to work toward this unity. I have learned over time that an important element to an effective discussion of this nature (with Christian brethren) is in treating your brother’s or sister’s beliefs with the greatest respect and trying to forget about who the “big brother” might be, while at the same time explaining your faith gently and lovingly and always looking for the truth.</p>
<p>God bless! <br />
Polo</p>
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